Ah right, I believe Linus Heckemann and Matthias Mailänder from the shortlog are also package maintainers.
Is it not easier to just maintain a list on our website? Since otherwise we always need to update this before any release.
Personally, I am fine with any order (alphabetically, random, fair dice roll - but only D20, sorted from who you like best to least best, points in a round of Hot Ice).commit count might be too much effort? And, yes, I am responsible for that. Sometimes, when getting stuff from the milestones, I pushed them under my name when I was sure the person was already mentioned in the repos anyway. I didn't think that commit count would count!
As to space & maintenance: maybe it's easier to replace the credit image with a text field? Maybe even autoscrolling like many other games do? Then we don't have to drop anyone.
>I didn't think that commit count would count!
Commit count isn't a great metric in any case, it's just one we can very easily get.
>As to space & maintenance: maybe it's easier to replace the credit image with a text field? Maybe even autoscrolling like many other games do? Then we don't have to drop anyone.
I'm going to have a look, but I'm not at all familiar with C4Gui.
![[us]](/mwf/flags/us.png "United States")
We could have a "Credits" scenario that shows a beautiful landscape with a credits roll. That should be relatively easy to maintain.
![[de]](/mwf/flags/de.png "Germany")
True. Any ideas what could happen in the scenario? I think that scenario might showcase some typical ingame situations, such as a melee, clonks building a settlement, clonks mining underground, clonks working together to cross an abyss,...
No one would ever see that. And we'd also have to maintain that.Can't we just decrease the font size in the screen by one tick to fit more?
Imo it would be a shame if Kanibal would only be in that list for minor contributions. I think Larry (if it makes it into the release) is rather a major improvement, such as Sven2's new editor, Luchs IPv6, and JCaesar's netpuncher features. Just don't have a clue if there's enough space for it though.
I tried recreating the credits image with C4GUI now. Turns out there's plenty of space if you don't try to fit on 800x600 screens :)Some issues with that solution:
- C4GUI::TextWindow first does line breaks, then applies formatting. This sometimes breaks the color tags.
- Aligning the titles properly is hard. I may have to hard-code the text width. (They are currently aligned relative to the largest title line in the image file.)
- The original credits image had tons of text shadow to make everything readable. This doesn't seem to be possible with in-game text rendering. I enabled the standard grey background instead, but that doesn't look great.
- C4GUI::TextWindow scrolls the title image together with the text which isn't quite what we want here. Not too bad though as everything seems to fit without scrolling on standard text sizes.
Code: https://github.com/openclonk/openclonk/compare/master...lluchs:c4gui-credits
that's obviously the best solution compared to the image or a scenario, cool :)
I prefer the one without the dark background - otherwise it looks pretty good. Did not check which one you pushed.
![[at]](/mwf/flags/at.png "Austria")
Very well! Just one comment: I got one of those scrolling bars for "music and sound", which looks a bit odd. In my opinion it is better to scroll the full page if need because of a low resolution.
Edit: windowed mode with 1440x960, I know this is rather exotic and not my usual setting either.
Edit: seems to only happen for wide and low-res resolutions.
Edit: windowed mode with 1440x960, I know this is rather exotic and not my usual setting either.
Edit: seems to only happen for wide and low-res resolutions.
Scrolling the full page would make the layout dependent on the text rendering. C4GUI just doesn't have the tools to make this kind of layout work easy.But yeah, there are some resolution/font size combination where everything fits, but C4GUI still decides to show scroll bars. I just hope that most players have screens with higher resolutions (at least 1920x1080).
![[th]](/mwf/flags/th.png "Thailand")
> Also, how do we sort the entries?
I used to order them by how I subjectively thought who contributed the most, taking into account also commits in the resources repos, amount of fixed bugs, blog entries, administrative work etc.
Since I am somewhat out of tune regarding recent great contributions that should be taken into account of such a subjective evaluation, I'm happy if someone else, such as you, takes it into his hands. I must say though, that the commit count alone somewhat leaves out contributions of people who do the artwork (often in the forum) and of the other things I mentioned. I.e. Isilkor's buildserver, ala's organizational effort with trello etc.
> I must say though, that the commit count alone somewhat leaves out contributions of people who do the artwork (often in the forum) and of the other things I mentioned.
I think commit count works well enough for the dev team. The artwork and music people are in a separate category from those writing code, so there's no unfair competition there. For the "Contributors for 8.0" category, I sorted the artwork contributions somewhere in-between. We only had one very active contributor (Fulgen) anyways, the others all only had a couple commits / pieces of artwork. (I hope I didn't miss anyone contributing artwork, those are a lot harder to detect than commit authors.)
For the record, the Credits.txt file in the root of the repository can now be generated from the About dialog by pressing Ctrl+S.
Do we have a release plan?Any release blocking bugs for 8.0?
Any features that we still want to finish before the release?
Do we have any idea why the snapshots are broken?
>Any release blocking bugs for 8.0?
>Any features that we still want to finish before the release?
No, I think everything critical from the bugtracker is fixed.
Apparently it's broken on Mac (there's a Mac issue and Kanibal also mentioned that once), but we don't have any Mac developers to confirm or fix that anyways.
>Do we have any idea why the snapshots are broken?
Yeah, I already wrote ck a message, but he didn't respond yet. It's probably not release-blocking as the releases are built from a separate repository checkout, but we'll need someone with an account (Sven or Maikel I guess?) to try a dry release.
>Do we have a release plan?
- Write a release blog post
- Do the steps from http://wiki.openclonk.org/w/Release_Steps
Anything else?
>Anything else?
Check the roadmap and move everything that's not important to post-8.0.
http://bugs.openclonk.org/roadmap_page.php
And I still have one issue I'd like to fix (#1970)
I wish there was an easy way to move issues around between target versions :)
It's not the manual effort, it's more the conscious decision to not include some things that have previously been marked as required
A lot of these issues are more "nice-to-have" things and not exactly requirements. Like missing sounds or decoration. Others are carried over from the roadmap of previous versions or even from CR, like the runtime join issue.This is why I'm moving the issues to the "git master" target and not to 9.0. Things that don't block this release won't block the next release either.
> Yeah, I already wrote ck a message, but he didn't respond yet.
He'll have a look this (American) evening. Facebook is the real deal here!
I am back from holidays in a 6 days from now and can help with the dry release stuff then.
>Anything else?
Oh, and someone could scroll through the changes and write down the ten to twenty (or so) most interesting changes for players and developers, which could be included in a blog posting!
I started writing a release blog post (only visible to developers, I guess). The major new features I have for now are the new editor, improved networking, a list of new scenarios, and a couple of script improvements. Not quite twenty changes yet! ;)
I'm wondering if we want to cover the technical details on the networking stuff in such a blog post. (They're also not all that perfect. Some limited form of hole punching is still required for IPv6 to open the ports in firewalls, saying that we make connections /via/ the netpuncher is at least misleading, and it was implemented before, just in a much weaker form.) Maybe we should separate that.
Well, adress people who have no clue of anything."HEEEY GUYS WE GOT NETWORKZ IMPROVEMENTZ AND IT MIGHT BE THAT YOU CAN NOW JUST JOIN ANOTHER PLAYER IF IT DIDNT WORK BEFORE"
It's advertisement to some degree. You just mention the cool stuff!
I'd like to put the few finished extra pieces of music, I posted around a year ago into 8.0 as well.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk3oukhuq828ucs/Subsurface%20Investigation.zip?dl=0
Instructions:
The track 'Sea Life' is an updated Version of the main soundtrack, since at that time I used a wrong string patch. Not the strings sound better :)
It should replace the current version.
All other tracks can just be copied into the folder, they are all tagged accordingly and converted to ogg. So nothing needs to be done. Some of the tracks are from a different project than OC and hence a bit darker in their atmosphere though.
[Edit] Also added the additional tracks to the track list in the license.txt, the file is attached to this post.
Instructions:
The track 'Sea Life' is an updated Version of the main soundtrack, since at that time I used a wrong string patch. Not the strings sound better :)
It should replace the current version.
All other tracks can just be copied into the folder, they are all tagged accordingly and converted to ogg. So nothing needs to be done. Some of the tracks are from a different project than OC and hence a bit darker in their atmosphere though.
[Edit] Also added the additional tracks to the track list in the license.txt, the file is attached to this post.
Attachment: License.txt (2k)
I moved some bugtracker items to 9.0 (and also fixed one and a half!)Clonkonaut, you still have two issues assigned on the roadmap. Do you want to push them to 9.0?
Closed and pushed the other to 9.0. No one gave me feedback there, so there is nothing to do.
http://bugs.openclonk.org/view.php?id=1982I consider this release blocking, don't know about everyone else. Caesar's assignment isn't fixed. He is currently just working on assignment stuff.
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