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- - By Newton [de] Date 2015-12-20 14:20
Seeing that the old sky background for "Defenders of the Windmills" was deleted for the lack of a license, the background picture for the header of the website is obsolete as well. The current one was meant to be provisional anyway.

It should be...
* showing stuff / reusing graphics from the game. Also possible would be a custom clonk related drawing.
* relatively unobstrusive / repetitive
* width: variable, must be tileable, height: 120px

I once tried out how the header looks like if I'd just use the earth texture but back then it did not look too good. Perhaps with the new textures?
Parent - By Maikel Date 2015-12-20 14:54
I think something like the clonkspot header would be nice as well, with little scenes from the game.
Parent - - By Armin [de] Date 2015-12-29 21:09
What about this?

I hereby license the file bg2.png under the CC-BY license

I hereby license the file bg1.png under the CC-BY license
Attachment: bg2.png (276k)
Attachment: bg1.png (437k)
Parent - - By Maikel Date 2015-12-29 21:26
I think maybe more scenes and colourful would be better, it represents OC better with colour.
Parent - - By Armin [de] Date 2015-12-29 21:40 Edited 2015-12-29 21:52
I added the test for the colourful one, too. Mb its better when its lighter, I think the loader logo should still be outstanding, thats why I made one brown. Do you mean more width for people with more than 1920x1080 or more scenes on the same width?
Parent - By Maikel Date 2015-12-29 21:48
More width as in pixels, 1920x1080 is maybe the average, but monitors have improved.
Parent - By Newton [de] Date 2015-12-29 21:45
Cool, thank you for trying out stuff! I set it as the header graphics to get more feedback.
Not sure if I like it, there is just so much going on there. Also, the problem with ingame screenshots is that they may be outdated quickly.

I think it would look better if the screenshots used for the header would
* show more the landscape rather than objects
* the scene(s) be zoomed in more, so there are less tiny details on them and more larger homogenous areas. I.e. from the scenes shown, I find the second left looks best in the header
* perhaps have one large scene/landscape that spans the whole width?
Parent - By Sven2 [jm] Date 2015-12-29 23:38 Edited 2015-12-29 23:48
I like the "busy" headers a lot. For me the activity and everything being chaotic is part of the spirit of Clonk. Also the different sections show that we're a very versatile game.
Parent - - By Isilkor Date 2015-12-29 22:24
Since we hadn't had a workable header banner for a while, I used a crop of the current loader for the repository page:

- Not busy
- Logotype doesn't get drowned out by high-contrast background
- Works for every resolution without tiling

- I'm not an artist so the crop looks like a drawing of someone playing the tuba
Parent - - By Sven2 [jm] Date 2015-12-29 23:39 Edited 2015-12-29 23:53
I think the head cannot be recognized. I think a crop from the main loader would only make sense if e.g. all our pages had the remaining loader image as a watermark.

Also since the loader is CC-BY, we need to have credits somewhere on the website.
Parent - By Maikel Date 2015-12-30 00:11
But the same holds for the game content header, these are derived from many CC-BY sources.
Parent - By Isilkor Date 2015-12-30 00:49

> I think a crop from the main loader would only make sense if e.g. all our pages had the remaining loader image as a watermark.

Well, that's hardly a problem:
Parent - - By Matthias [de] Date 2016-01-01 20:19
While it was my plan to paint something back then, I now think showing off something from the game is actually better. After all, we want visitors to be interested in the game, not in the painting skills of the developers!
In this header, I try to show off a nice landscape which invites to explore.
Parent - By Pyrit Date 2016-01-01 21:32
Yes, I'm for showing off actual imgame images. We don't even have a tuba gun in the game.
Parent - By Zapper [de] Date 2016-01-02 10:21
I like that more because it's not so.. restless/chaotic?
Parent - By Armin [de] Date 2016-01-02 15:43
I like it. Plus, I think that it doesn't take any time to make a newer screenshot with OpenClonk 8 (in the case much of the stuff in the image changes).
Parent - - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-02 16:01 Edited 2016-01-02 16:03
I set it as the background and added the fade from Isilkor that several people found quite nice.

I like it. What about the people who found the loader screen better than the ingame screenshot, do you think this is okay?

If you or anyone else would like to refine this header screenshot though, I suggest to make the screenshot 400-600px in height so that it can fade into white more smoothly at the bottom and keep in mind that only the first 100px will be 100% visible.
Parent - - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-02 16:23
I think I will simply create the scenario now in the Experimental folder
Parent - - By Maikel Date 2016-01-13 15:11
Did you add this scenario? It would be good to have this in the repos so that we can update it when needed.
Parent - - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-13 21:04
No :,-(

Something went really wrong when I comitted it and it was completely lost. I will never again press the button "commit and push".
Parent - - By Sven2 [us] Date 2016-01-13 21:53
Try git lost-found. Commits without a head are still kept around for a while. Also check your stash.
Parent - - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-14 01:21
I do not have git lost-found. Is it an external tool not included in the main installation? The stash is the first thing I checked.
Parent - - By Sven2 [us] Date 2016-01-14 04:14
The docs say it's now called git fsck --lost-found
Parent - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-15 19:53
You are a life saver, thanks!
Parent - By Günther [de] Date 2016-01-15 17:07
Look in the reflogs - They're in .git/logs. HEAD should have every commit you made, and in refs they're ordered by branch. I usually just look at them with less or a text editor, but there's also a git reflog command.
Parent - By Günther [de] Date 2016-01-02 22:41
The documentation has two additional links in the header. In the current style they're half hidden behind the search thingie. I've changed the code to this:
<div id="nav_doclangswitch">
  <a href="" target="_top"><img src=""/></a>
  <a href="" target="_top"><img src=""/></a>

#nav_doclangswitch {
  position: absolute;
  padding: 4px 10px 4px 10px;
  right: 0;
  top: 28px;
  margin: 0;
  font-size: 12px;
  border-radius: 0 0 0 18px;
  box-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #333;
  background-color: #151515;

I think the latter is better placed in header.css instead of doku.css, since it tries to match the style of the search bar.
- - By Zapper [de] Date 2016-01-01 12:55
After having seen both versions for a while, I have to say that I like the version on the 'repository' page more. The header looks a lot less cluttered, more centered (because there are less completely arbitrary black lines) and the logo actually has some contrast remaining..
It just looks more like a header and less like scrolling down an instagram page.
Parent - By Clonkonaut [de] Date 2016-01-01 13:19
I like both :)
Parent - - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-01 19:04
What do the others say?

Also, perhaps whoever came up with the new loader screen could also paint something for the header of the website? Iirc this was the original plan, but Matthi - who wanted to do this back then - never got around to paint it.
Parent - - By Clonkonaut [de] Date 2016-01-01 19:25
The loader is taken from Clonk Infinity with Nachtfalter's consent. I don't think he's around right now to paint something.
Parent - By Nachtfalter Date 2016-01-21 14:35
A bit late to the party, but I actually like the current solution very much! :)

Clean, warm and friendly. Sure, there is even more potential, but it's fine for now.
Parent - - By Clonk-Karl [us] Date 2016-01-01 20:24
I agree with Zapper, but I also like Matthi's suggestion. The only problem is that it might get outdated quickly...
Parent - By Matthias [de] Date 2016-01-01 20:37
We could try to automate header-generation from a versioned scenario in our build process, but other than the scenario itself I possibly won't be much help there.
Parent - - By ala [de] Date 2016-01-02 10:44
I'd also prefer the repository page, it also fits nice colorwise and has a smooth transition to the website, whereas the other two suggestions look less professional.

I must state however that I also really like the ingame scenes - just not in the header, maybe they could replace the outdated screenshot shown on the "Home" page like showing a random picture out of a list of 5 or so (like on ClonkCenter).
Parent - By Newton [de] Date 2016-01-02 15:25

>outdated screenshot

to be precise, it is not outdated until version 7 is out :-P (but then I will update it)
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